Entrevista da Lisa para Oprah (Vídeo legendado pag 16)

Liberian Girl escreveu: FORAM NOS PIORES PERÍODOS DA VIDA DELE, OU QDO PRECISAVA TRABALHAR MUITO: CASO DE 93, BRIGA COM A SONY EM 2001,CASO DE 2005 E MAIS RECENTEMENTE ENSAIOS DE TII! UMA PESSOA COM LUPUS, SOB MUITA PRESSÃO E ESTRESSE ENTRA EM CRISE! É IMPOSSÍVEL NÃO TOMAR O REMÉDIO P/CONTROLAR ISSO!

Foi exatamente isso que eu disse.

Alone escreveu:Femme, ficou doida?
Eles se separaram em 95, em 96 ele já estava casado com a Debbie "chifruda" (desculpa, mas não resisti

Ziiii, tás louca?! ...rs... Eles casaram em maio de 94 e Lisa Marie entrou com o pedido de divórcio em janeiro de 96! Se Prince já estava gerado quando eles se separaram, e ele nasceu em 13 de fevereiro de 1997, a separação de MJ e LMP não poderia ter sido em 95...rs...

Alone escreveu:Na boa, esse assunto Lisa/Michael me cansa.

Que nada, confesse que você adora...

Alguém poderia transcrever toda a entrevista da LMP? Estou sem saber o que pensar com o pouco que entendi...

Agradeço aquele que tiver boa vontade para fazê-lo!

Abraços.....

dri escreveu:

Que foto mais hipócrita e sensacionalista.
Ela devia era nem se aproximar do corpo do MJ.

Carmina Brasil escreveu:Alguém poderia transcrever toda a entrevista da LMP? Estou sem saber o que pensar com o pouco que entendi...

Agradeço aquele que tiver boa vontade para fazê-lo!

A tradução já está postada desde ontem, aqui, veja: https://mjdreamer.forumeiros.com/noticias-this-is-it-f1/entrevista-da-lisa-para-oprah-traducao-post-37-t750-30.htm#7335

Ziiii, tás louca?! ...rs... Eles casaram em maio de 94 e Lisa Marie entrou com o pedido de divórcio em janeiro de 96! Se Prince já estava gerado quando eles se separaram, e ele nasceu em 13 de fevereiro de 1997, a separação de MJ e LMP não poderia ter sido em 95...rs...

Sim Femme, mas no período do piripaque Michael e Lisa já não estavam bem. Se lembra do VMA 95? Ali a coisa já estava feia, o casamento já não andava nada bem.
Michael e Lisa se divorciaram oficialmente em Janeiro de 96 e em Dezembro de 96 Michael se casou com a Debbie "chifruda"

Que nada, confesse que você adora...

Femme, me cansa de verdade, sabe por que? Eu leio milhões de posts iguais

Alone escreveu:
Femme, me cansa de verdade, sabe por que? Eu leio milhões de posts iguais

Pior que não há como evitar. Se fizessem um resgate de todas as discussões sobre LMP e MJ, encontraríamos posts iguaizinhos aos que estão aqui!

Eu so sei dizer que com essa entrevista ela mexeu mais uma vez com com "mundo Michael", não existe um lugar que não esteja falando sobre isso.
Vamos ver quando será a proxima entrevista dela , pois agora tenho certeza terão muitas

Femme escreveu:

Alone escreveu:Femme, me cansa de verdade, sabe por que? Eu leio milhões de posts iguais

Isso é porque muita gente precisa expressar seus sentimentos, sejam estes de repúdio a Lisa , sejam de solidariedade a ela.

Até concordo, mas será que é preciso postar a mesma coisa milhões de vezes?
Escreve uma carta e pronto.

Femme escreveu:Se Lisa Marie não ficasse falando sobre Michael, ajudaria a diminuir o número de comentários...

AVEMARIA...Será que vou morrer ouvindo os mesmos comentários?
Eu já estou até começando a decorar o que postam.

Essa fan tem um depoimento como é duro ter problemas com insonia, e ela esta pedindo que divulguemos em todos os lugares como é importante tirarmos as duvidas das pessoas mais leigas em relação as doenças cronicas.

quem quiser traduzir

I need a favor, which I'll get to in a little while.....

In all this talk about drug addiction, media folks and so-called "friends" do not emphasize Michael's INSOMNIA, anxiety, lupus and chronic pain. It's as if he was taking "drugs" for the fun of it. This makes me very angry - especially because I have chronic health problems myself. One time I was sooo stressed out that I took 3 sleeping pills with an entire coffee MUG of whisky (which I hate) because I hadn't slept in THREE days - and guess what? I ONLY slept for 6 hours. When you're super anxious, your adrenalin is so high that your mind won't shut off and you get so desperate that you'll do ANYTHING to get some real sleep. That's why sleep deprivation is an excellent form of TORTURE. sleep is a drive, an absolute need, not a luxury, just like water.

Even the nurse, Cheryl, said that Michael was desperate for 8 hours of sleep and could only sleep for 3 hours at a time. ALL sleep medications are addictive or sedate you so much that you can't function during the day and need a stimulant
(which can also be addictive) to counteract it. That's how people get caught up in a vicious cycle of escalating doses of uppers and downers until they overdose on one of them. THERAPY DOES NOT WORK for most people.

I can understand why Michael resorted to Diprivan: it's NOT addictive if used for sedation and leaves the body quickly. Remember that it was an anestiologist (Dr. Ratner) who introduced him to the drug in the first place and said that he did so because Michael had a sleep disorder. This was a course of treatment provided to him, he did not come up with the idea by himself, yet NO ONE talks about that. It's addiction this, addiction that. I've checked insomnia forums and sufferers understand Michael's desperation but the general public does not. Even P. Diddy said that he doesn't think that Michael was crazy because he has horrible insomnia too - google it.

I'm just one person, so please help me by bringing this up in all the other website that you comment on to get the word out.

The similarity between Michael and Elvis is that they both suffered from anxiety and insomnia probably because of all the pressure and criticism that they had to endure. It has nothing to do with a sense of entitlement or being surrounded by "yes-men". Heath Ledger, Judy Garland, Marilyn Monroe, Anna-Nicole Smith and countless other people died while simply trying to get some sleep. That's what the media should really be talking about, instead of making them out to be irresponsible drug addicts.

Obrigada macario por postar! É muito esclarecedor!!




* corendo na tradução via google.

Bom, lá vai a tradução do depoimento que macario postou:

" Em toda essa conversa sobre a toxico-dependência, a mídia e os chamados "amigos" não enfatizam a INSÔNIA de Michael, ansiedade, dor crônica e lupus. É como se ele estivesse tomando "remédios" para a diversão. Isso me deixa com muita raiva - principalmente porque eu tenho problemas de saúde crônicos também. Uma vez eu estava tão estressado que eu tomei 3 comprimidos para dormir com uma caneca de café inteira de uísque (que eu odeio), porque eu não tinha dormido por 3 dias - e adivinhem? Eu só dormi por 6 horas. Quando você está super ansioso, sua adrenalina é tão grande que sua mente não desliga e você fica tão desesperado que você fará qualquer coisa para dormir realmente. É por isso que a privação do sono é uma excelente forma de tortura. O sono é uma unidade, uma necessidade absoluta, e não um luxo, assim como a água.
A enfermeira, Cheryl disse que Michael estava desesperado para 8 horas de sono e só dormia por três horas. Medicamentos para dormir são TODOS viciantes, vc se seda tanto que você não pode funcionar durante o dia e precisa de um estimulante (o que também pode ser viciante) para combatê-la. Isso é como as pessoas ficarem presas em um ciclo vicioso de doses crescentes de cabedais e infortúnios, até chegar a uma overdose de um deles. A terapia não funciona para a maioria das pessoas.
Eu posso entender porque Michael recorreu a Diprivan: não é viciante, se utiliza para sedação e deixa o corpo rapidamente. Lembre-se que era um anestiologista (Dr. Ratner) que o apresentou à droga em primeiro lugar e disse que ele fez isso porque Michael tinha um distúrbio do sono. Este foi um método de tratamento previsto para ele, ele não veio com a idéia por si mesmo, mas ninguém fala sobre isso. É a dependência desse tratamento que faz isso. Eu verifiquei fóruns sobre insônia e sofredores para compreender o desespero de Michael, mas o público em geral, não. Mesmo P. Diddy disse que ele não acredita que Michael era louco, porque ele tem crises de insônia horríveis demais. Eu sou apenas uma pessoa, então por favor me ajude a trazer isto para todos os outros Web site que você conhece.
A semelhança entre Michael e Elvis é que ambos sofriam de ansiedade e insônia, provavelmente por causa de toda a pressão e as críticas de que eles tinham de suportar. Não tem nada haver com um sentimento de direito ou de estar rodeado por "yes-men". Heath Ledger, Judy Garland, Marilyn Monroe, Anna-Nicole Smith e inúmeras outras pessoas morreram quando simplesmente a tentavam dormir um pouco. Isso é o que a mídia deve estar realmente falando, ao invés de fazê-los parecer viciados em drogas irresponsáveis.."

p.s.: macario me passa a fonte deste depoimento depois.

O problema pra mim é o modo como ela fala dos medicamentos parece que ele gostava de tomá-los,será que ela mesmo tendo sido casada com ele não sabia dos inúmeros problemas que ele tinha? Eu com apenas uma dor de cabeça ,corro para a dipirona,imagina lúpus e tantas outras coisas que estamos cansadas de saber.Acho que a Lisa se perdeu completamente na vida,ela me parece muito confusa.

obrigada

Esse é o depoimento da enfermeira citada no outro post, Cherilyn Lee, alguém please, traduza:


On Thursday 21st October 2010, @QuirkyDiana said:

Cherilyn Lee said MJ was opposed to recreational drug use, but he was tortured by sleep deprivation.

"He wasn't looking to get high or feel good and sedated from drugs," she said. "This was a person who was not on drugs. This was a person who was seeking help, desperately, to get some sleep, to get some rest."

"He said, `I don't like drugs. I don't want any drugs. My doctor told me this is a safe medicine,"' Lee said. The next day, she said she brought a copy of the Physician's Desk Reference to show him the section on Diprivan.

"He said, 'No, my doctor said it's safe. It works quick and it's safe as long as somebody's here to monitor me and wake me up. It's going be OK,"' Lee said. She said he did not give the doctor's name.

"It wasn't that he felt sick," she said. "He just wanted more energy."

Lee said she decided to speak out to protect Jackson's reputation from what she considers unfounded allegations of drug abuse or shortcomings as a parent.

"I think it's so wrong for people to say these things about him," she said. "He was a wonderful, loving father who wanted the best for his children."

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Liberian girl essa declaração foi feita por uma das participantes de um forum , muitas pessoas que possuem algum tipo de problema contam os seus , isso ainda não saiu em lugar nenhum somente ela esta pedindo para que possamos fazer justiça e tirar a ignorancia das pessoas . Postei aqui pois achei importante uma pessoa que ja passou por um pouco dar um deslumbre de todo o terror que Michael passou.

outra informação no site CNN ja estão sendo feito reclamações sobre a entrevista , eu não consegui o link mais se alguem tiver favor divulgue

Depoimento do médico que atendeu Michael em 1995,


Rock Hill doctor helped saved Michael Jackson's life after 1995 rehearsal collapse...

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Rock Hill doctor helped saved Michael Jackson's life after 1995 rehearsal collapse...
Rock Hill doctor helped saved Michael Jackson's life after 1995 rehearsal collapse...
http://www.heraldonline.com/front/story/1458834.html
Published: Wednesday, Jul. 08, 2009 / Updated: Wednesday, Jul. 08, 2009 07:31 AM
Rock Hill doctor helped saved Michael Jackson's life after 1995 rehearsal collapse
By Andrew Dys, Columnist - adys@heradonline.com
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When Dr. William Alleyne II heard about Michael Jackson's death last week while on vacation, this doctor who specializes in lung ailments in Rock Hill turned young again.
In his mind, he was just Bill Alleyne, the young guy who spent money out of his pocket to buy Michael Jackson albums. The guy who became a doctor and took his new bride to Michael Jackson concerts.
“It was an overwhelming sense of sadness,” Alleyne said.
Sure, Bill Alleyne is a Michael Jackson fan like millions. But Dr. William Alleyne had more reason to be sad than most fans. Alleyne said Tuesday, for the first time in 14 years, “I was the doctor who saved Michael Jackson's life.”
In December 1995, Alleyne was the critical care director at Beth Israel North Hospital, on the Upper East Side in New York City across the way from the mayor's Gracie Mansion. He was the guy in charge when one of the nurses told him, “We have Michael Jackson coming here.”
Alleyne didn't believe it then.
“I said, ‘Ha, ha, very funny,'” Alleyne recalled.
He had seen patients who were stars, or spouses of stars, but this was different. Thousands of people started clamoring outside the hospital. The place was turning into bedlam.
“Ten minutes later, they rolled Michael Jackson in on a stretcher,” Alleyne said Tuesday from his Rock Hill office where he's one of the partners at Carolina Pulmonary Physicians. But in 1995, Alleyne was the doctor to the King of Pop. Jackson had collapsed after a rehearsal for an upcoming HBO special at the nearby Beacon Theater.
Alleyne and his wife had seen Jackson before in concert, on television, and now, in 1995, Jackson was waiting, unconscious, for Bill Alleyne to save his life.
“Mr. Jackson was in critical condition,” Alleyne said. “He was dehydrated. He had low blood pressure. He had a rapid heart rate. He was near death.”
Alleyne went from doctor to a star to doctor of a man who could die. Alleyne, an acquaintance of Jackson's doctor at the time who had seen some of that doctor's patients, had been picked personally by that doctor to be the attending physician for Jackson's emergency care. Alleyne gave the order to have the defibrillator ready if needed to treat the abnormal heart rhythm of the most famous entertainer with the best rhythm on Earth.
After about an hour or so that December dusk, Alleyne said he had Jackson stabilized with intravenous fluids and other treatment, and transferred Jackson to intensive care. But in the meantime, the crowd outside had become massive, a mob scene.
“I looked outside the window, and the crowd was shoulder to shoulder, huge, far more than when the mayor's mansion across the street had hosted the pope, the president, even Nelson Mandela,” Alleyne recalled.
And inside the hospital, Alleyne said, “it was absolute pandemonium.”
Jackson's entourage had muscled into intensive care. Alleyne had a brief showdown with one bodyguard who did not want to let Alleyne in the room again after Alleyne had left briefly. Alleyne recalled he said to the bodyguard, “Your boss is dying in there, and I am going in there to save his life. You can be the one who has to say you wouldn't let me in.”
Bill Alleyne walked in and saved Michael Jackson.
But the crush of people inside wasn't over. The entourage of Jackson's then-wife, Lisa Marie Presley, came in. Presley came in, too. Then through the middle of the crowd, another entourage, and Janet Jackson, Michael's sister.
“Here is Janet, drop-dead, stop-the clock gorgeous, and she said, ‘Thank you for taking care of my brother,'” Alleyne recalled.
Alleyne found time to call home. His wife, Cheryl Courtlandt, a physician herself who now is a pediatrician at Levine's Children's Hospital in Charlotte, was home with two small kids.
“I'm gonna be a little late honey,” Alleyne told his wife. “Turn on the news.”
He told his wife Michael Jackson was his patient, and she said to her husband, verbatim, in words Alleyne will never forget: “Well, you take care of Mr. Jackson and hurry home, because I have two kids here and you need to take out the garbage.”
Jackson soon was stable, and Alleyne and Jackson started a doctor/patient relationship similar to all in theory but unlike any relationship Alleyne had ever had in practice. As people were climbing trees to get pictures of inside the hospital, as Jackson's fans sang his songs outside and the world press invaded the sidewalks and street for information about the condition of this most-famous man, Bill Alleyne tried to keep Michael Jackson alive with intravenous food and care.
“Michael Jackson was the most soft-spoken, least demanding guy you would ever want to meet,” Alleyne said. “Everything he said was a whisper. His biggest concern was could he perform.
Alleyne told Jackson no way could he perform anytime soon.
Alleyne had to get permission to release information to Jackson's family. Jackson gave it. Alleyne had to deal with other doctors who came to watch his every move, and a world that wanted information that Alleyne would not give to anybody but those Jackson said to give it to.
After about 72 hours, Alleyne and Jackson's publicists and others realized they had to give a press conference. So Alleyne worked with Jackson's people to go over what could be said, what to stay away from but still tell the truth. Alleyne was blunt with the world, saying Jackson did not have any immune system problems because rumors about AIDS were swirling. He was blunt that Jackson had no drugs in his system.
News accounts from 1995 show Alleyne and his then-partner, Dr. Bob Glennon, talking about Jackson's condition to convince the world that Jackson was, in fact, critically ill.
“Michael Jackson was unconscious when he arrived,” Alleyne said. “I had to make that clear.”
Through the next few days, Alleyne was Jackson's doctor. Other doctors came to watch behind him, but Alleyne said he was not affronted. Having others sets of eyes look at his care and treatment of Jackson was understandable.
Jackson had to do what other patients who are recovering must do, Alleyne said. Walk around, be monitored. Except he had an entourage in the next room.
“After a couple of days, Mr. Jackson told me he needed to get his hair done,” Alleyne remembered. “I told him we had a barber at the hospital.”
Jackson's entourage laughed: A stylist traveled around the world with Jackson and would style those locks right there in intensive care. The makeup crew came in, too.
Near the end of Jackson's hospital stay, he asked Alleyne if he could visit other patients in intensive care. Jackson met one lady, gave her an autographed picture after he prayed with her, and the lady told Alleyne, “I can die now; I prayed with Michael Jackson.”
Alleyne recalled, laughing: “I told Mr. Jackson maybe visiting with people who had suffered heart attacks or other serious problems wasn't such a good idea.”
When Jackson was discharged, Alleyne stayed in the background as the cameras went off and the video was shot. But Jackson asked Alleyne to make house calls for the next three days. Blood pressure checks, pulse, all that stuff. Alleyne was the director of critical care — house calls were not his bag. But Michael Jackson had asked, so Alleyne said yes.
“House calls, to the penthouse of the Four Seasons hotel,” Alleyne said. “He had rented out the entire top two floors.”
In one “moment of weakness,” Alleyne said he almost asked Jackson to teach him how to moonwalk — Jackson's famous trademark dance.
But Alleyne kept it professional with Michael Jackson, as the entourages and the world watched Alleyne's every move.
Finally, about two weeks into this whirlwind relationship, Alleyne told Jackson, “Mr. Jackson, you are stable. I can stop being your doctor and return to being your fan.”
All humble Alleyne asked for was an autographed picture for his kids to have years down the road.
Before Alleyne left the hotel that day, Alleyne recalled Jackson telling him: “Thank you for saving my life.”
Then Jackson told Alleyne he understood how difficult it had been for a black man to get to such a distinguished position within the medical world, that Alleyne's accomplishments were inspiring to Jackson.
“It was very touching,” Alleyne said. “I will never forget that.”
Alleyne never gave an interview since then, never signed any book deals or made a nickel off being Michael Jackson's doctor of almost two weeks. He never spoke to Michael Jackson again.
Alleyne, other than casual conversation with friends, or associates in medicine, or among the people at his medical practice, never told anyone of his time as doctor to the most famous entertainer in the world.
Alleyne's own children, son Douglas and daughter Courtney, only learned of his role when a documentary came out a few years ago that had some of the footage of the news conferences from 1995 in it. There was Bill Alleyne.
“Daddy, are you Michael Jackson's doctor?” his daughter asked.
“I said yes, because I was his doctor,” Alleyne said. “I looked at it as always being his doctor, that I had a professional relationship with Mr. Jackson and would honor that.”
This man with Carolina roots in his family came to Charlotte in 1996, then began practicing medicine in Rock Hill in 1999. He's done what humble doctors do: give some time to reading at schools, volunteered, raised his kids.
The sign outside his Rock Hill medical practice only has his name. There is no mention of Michael Jackson anywhere in the building.
Only now, after Jackson's death, did Alleyne agree to share his remembrances of those days.
Alleyne said that he told his wife, only half-jokingly, that the world spotlight would be on the doctors who had recently been caring for Jackson before his death.
Alleyne said he would be remembered as: “I was the doctor who saved Michael Jackson's life.”
Alleyne has, at night the past few days after seeing patients, watched some coverage of the aftermath of Michael Jackson's death.
“That to this day he is so loved comes as no surprise to me,” Alleyne said. “He was very gracious and kind.”
He understands that there were accusations against Jackson after 1995, but that was not the Michael Jackson Bill Alleyne knew in 1995.
And Tuesday afternoon, as tens of millions, maybe more, watched the memorial service for Jackson from Los Angeles, here's what Bill Alleyne, doctor, did: He saw other patients. He did not watch TV.
He helped a lady with a little bit of cardiopulmonary trouble. Another with asthma. More. Each received Bill Alleyne's full attention, as he had given Michael Jackson his full attention in 1995.
Alleyne saw them all, gave this interview about that two weeks 14 years ago, then went home.
Just like he did for those crazy days in December 1995, when Bill Alleyne was Michael Jackson's doctor.
This post has been edited by Happiness4MJ: Jul 10 2009, 01:19 AM

Fonte: http://www.michaeljackson.com/uk/node/820899

dri escreveu:Sabe quais as manchetes que estão rolando em todos os canais de tv e internet?

"DROGAS ACABAM COM O CASAMENTO DE LISA E MICHAEL"

Ou seja...não!Não consigo falar ainda...tá fróide..

Ai que ódio dessa "cretina".
Ela pouco se importa com Michael. Nunca se importou!
Nojo dela, de sua hipocrisia, de seu sinismo.
Humilhou Michael antes, difamou, renegou e fez aquela cara de nojo toda vez que falava dele. E ainda levou a mamãesinha pra ajudar. E agora tenta ser a "santa salvadora"... Drogada é ela!

Macario e Liberian, obg por postar e traduzir o texto da enfermeira.
Eu fico chocada quando chamam Michael de dopado/viciado. Isso é ignorância. Não preciso ser médica para saber que o fato de uma pessoa está com uma doença e fazer uso de medicamentos pra melhorar seus sintomas, não tem nada a ver com dopado. Dopado é quando vç está em fora do seu estado mental normal, físico, por usos excessivos de medicamentos.
Se qualquer uma de nós tiver vitiligio (como MJ), vamos usar medicamentos pra essa doença, provalmente pro resto da vida. Vamos ser dopados, viciados?
Se vç tiver Lupus, vç tmbm terá que usar medicamentos tmbm, e pode ser pelo resto da vida. Chamo essa pessoa de dopada, viciada?
Se vç sofrer um acidente (como MJ fraturou as costelas) qualquer um de nós será medicado. Ou não? Então a pessoa é dopada, viciada?
E os diabéticos? Eles tomam medicamentos pro resto da vida. São dopados, viciados?
E quem tem pressão alta? affff...

L.O.V.E minha linda, obg de coração por vç postar o depoimento do médico que atendeu MJ. Ele reafirma o mesmo que disse na coletiva de imprensa quando tudo ocorreu. "Ele foi categórico que Jackson não tinha drogas em seu sistema".Mas sabemos que a lesa sabe disso né? Ela foi ao hospital tmbm. Mas ela jogou essa na mídia, pra pode "corrobar" com as mentiras dela. Inclusive que a separação ocorreu por conta das drogas! CARA DE PAU!!!
O negócio dela é ela "se limpar" e dane-se o Michael. Antes "manipulador", agora "drogado".

Femme escreveu:
Sei, disse algo "incoerente" quando perguntada sobre a acusação que fez de ter sido manipulada porque ficou entre confirmar ou negar o que ela mesma disse! Ou seja, de um jeito ou de outro, ficaria feio pra ela. E daí saiu pela tangente, né? Esta mulher consegue ser nojenta em cada detalhe! Até quando não responde...afe!

Pra mim, toda esse Entrevista foi "incoerente".